Vibes Lie, Patterns Don’t: Spotting Red Flags Before It’s Too Late with Justin Smith

Reza Ghaemi: Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the Res Podcast, a show where we explore ideas, habits, and conversations, conversations that help us grow, think differently, and live more intentionally. Today we're talking about a topic that I could not be more excited about, and that is red flags and dating and relationships. To me, red flags are everything. They are the early warning signs that reveal a person's character, intentions, emotional stability, and ability to maintain a healthy relationship. Yet people often notice these signs and continue dating the person anyway. I especially want to understand why some women overlook serious red flags at the beginning of a relationship and end up with men who are manipulative, dishonest, controlling, abusive, or emotionally disruptive disrupt, destruct destructive, my bad. Why does it happen? Is the attraction so strong that it clouds their judgment? Do they believe that men will eventually change? Are they confusing intensity with love? Are they afraid of being alone? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. My guest today is Justin Smith. A Tampa-based entrepreneur and the founder and CEO of Cray, a dating safety app designed to help people identify more than 70 red flags across 18 different categories. Justin created Cray after experience a devastating betrayal at the end of an eight-year relationship. He took that pain, painful experience and turned it into a mission to help other people recognize warning signs sooner, trust their instincts, and make safer decisions while dating. Justin, welcome to the Res Podcast.

Justin Smith: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. This is a great conversation is about to be had. I appreciate your excitement and the clip you played me before we got on here just Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: I'm gonna play that clip again. Yeah, I could not be more excited to have this conversation with you, Justin. let me start with the clip and then we'll get right into it. So here we go. Whoops, I can it's unmute. There we go. I I don't think Instagram wants me to do this. Let's see. I'll have to fix this later, but

Justin Smith: Yeah, you can splice it in. It's okay.

Reza Ghaemi: I really wanna play it though. let's see. Or take there we Four types of women you meet on dating apps. You meet mentally ill women. There's a lot of them. There's a lot of really hot girls who have like borderline personality disorder and can't maintain a relationship or a job. You meet women who are trying to get you to go down their sex funnel, so their OnlyFans funnel or whatever. What percentage of females on these apps have an OnlyFans? The ones that get the most rights wipes, I'd say 50% of them, more than that. The third type of woman is just outright prostitution. And then the fourth type of woman is a good woman, but she has four kids. She's been divorced and she's in her 40s. Those are the four types of women that you're going to meet on these dating apps. Attractive young women. Don't need dating apps. There's no such thing as an attractive young woman actually looking for men on dating apps. And I'll take it a step further. Any high value, high status man also does not need dating apps. Correct. He doesn't need dating apps. But if you're a good looking dude and you're high status, you can get on dating apps, you will get a lot of matches. So that was Michael Sartain and a podcast. big big fan of Michael Sartain and what he does. what's your take, Justin? Just do you agree with that or?

Justin Smith: I I like to term it a bit differently, but I I the general you know idea behind it I agree with. I like to think of it as produce left on a shelf at a grocery, because the people that, you know, are on dating apps, they don't have a social support system. They may not have a healthy lifestyle where they're going about meeting people, and they may have other things that are getting in the way of, you know, them being able to have or be in a relationship. It it may be, you know. know, that they have a personality disorder, it may be that they don't have a job, it may you know, there could be a bunch of different explanations, but it's kind of the group of people that are are leftovers after they've kind of filtered through the normal ways of meeting people. you know, it's it's unfortunate.

Reza Ghaemi: So exactly. It is unfortunate. I think these these apps were great at the beginning, but just over time they've gotten so much worse. So let's talk about why do people and we don't have to talk about specifically online dating. but like why because red flags to me is just there's so many obvious red flags. Why do people ignore such obvious red flags? And women, Justin, tell me if I'm You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but in my understanding and experience and studying biology, I have a master's degree in biology. Women are so much more intuitive than men. Like it's just hardwired in them to be more receptive and to be more like able to read body language better than men, right? I think there's data around that that would support that hypothesis. But why is it that women ignore those red flags and end up dating a guy that is just such an asshole? Such a bad guy to be with and now they have kids and all that stuff. And then we can talk about why men ignore those red flags too. But let's let's let's get into that.

Justin Smith: Yeah, I think you know Red flags some of are are fun or exciting if we're being honest. love bombing, you know, that's that's a a big red flag of of bad behavior early in the relationship, but it feels good, you know. So if a if a woman's feeling lonely and she's she's, you know, taking care of her kids all day 'cause she's a single mom and along comes this guy that, you know, just all of a sudden tells her that she's amazing in his whole world and you know, of course she's gonna buy into it. I mean, 'cause it's it's playing into what she's missing and and where she's hurting and and what she's feeling like she's needing. So I feel like there's just really good actors out there that can kind of sense that they're these wounded people and they look for those opportunities because it's low hanging fruit for them. It's it's kind of like an easy, you know, alley oop, so to speak. and I think it's it's easy to be victimized if you live a a life of isolation or loneliness or, you know, there's something missing that you're looking for. so I think that's kind of the first foothold of it. And then once you get in the relationship, is it because you've invested the amount of time in them? Is it because maybe the red flags are ones that you're willing to tolerate? Or is it that, you know, your dad used to drink a case of beer every night and that red flag doesn't look like a red flag to you? So it could be trauma histories. I mean there's just a lot of different reasons and and that's why an app like this is important to kind of help people for catching all those different ways in which we unintentionally let people in.

Reza Ghaemi: What do you mean by the app? I'm so excited to learn about this app. So it's in the Apple App Store and the Android store. I was looking at the website. There is a price to pay for the app. Tell us about it, Justin. How does this app work?

Justin Smith: Well, so the two Yeah, so the two main features are free: the Cray score and the schemer score. You can actually fill those out as many times as you want and get the report from them for free. because my commitment to fixing dating was that I couldn't charge money if I wanted to have the biggest impact possible. So I I left those two pieces free. the cray score is the red flags in the relationship. So it could be things like, they began talking to me when I was a minor, or they don't expect respect my boundaries during physical intimacy or they're unkind to me during conflict. Those are all very different red flags in a relationship, but they all get to the same issue, which is an unhealthy relationship with bad behavior in it. so that's the Cray score. The schemer score was designed for much like in that video clip, the OnlyFans girls or the girls that are, you know, out there trying to swindle you in one way or another, or the men even, you know. It can happen both sides. So that's what the the schemer score is. You just respond to questions about observed behavior and then it gives you a report at the end. There's a couple of more pieces that are in app purchases, the offender check, which is a sex offender registry lookup in the state of your choosing against a name. And then there's also the catfish check, which is a phone number lookup, and it gives you a report if the phone number is a real phone number or if it's used as a like texting app or fraud or those kinds of things. And then the last piece is something called the vibe check, which is an AI interpretive report that pulls in the CRAS score and schemer score, and it gives you a full report of what to look out for in the relationship and what kinds of things are showing up in the relationship, whether it's like worrisome behaviors or future things that you may want to look out for, that kind of stuff. That's what's available currently. We're coming out with an update in a couple of weeks. I have it on my phone. It's a whole new interface. Adding a photo scan feature, something called the Bay Score, which is green flags in a relationship, and even some other stuff like an SOS button and links to resources for safety.

Reza Ghaemi: Wow, this is great. Great stuff. I wonder I I mean, we don't want to get into the whole topic about your app, but I I would love to see this app being integrated with Hinge or Field and these top apps, right? I mean, good luck. I I hope you can convince them to in have this as an integration. Is that something that you're

Justin Smith: Well that's

Reza Ghaemi: thinking?

Justin Smith: Yeah, so that's actually the photo scan feature. I see that being the IP that makes them want to buy me. Because I now have a feature that you can take a profile photo or a conversation, pic you know, screenshots, dump it into the app, and it scores it against the criteria of the Cray score and the schemer score, which are red flags or scheming behavior. And so, you know, in a photo, if someone's sitting there posing with a bunch of alcohol bottles, it's gonna ding you for Excessive substance use, you know, things like that. So that could be integrated into Tinder or Hinge or whatever else that, you know, as you go through the profiles, it gives you an analysis of what red flags are showing up in this person's profile, so that they could be more what's the word I'm looking for? Transparent or, you know, supportive of people understanding who they're really getting off the dating app.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Amazing. so I'm trying to I'm trying to think like how I would actually use this app myself. Well, I mean, I'm in a relationship, but like let's let's say and this is but by the way, this is only for online dating, correct? Or no? Okay.

Justin Smith: No, so I s this is the great I've I've expanded the product since I first launched it. When I first launched it, it was just for romantic dating. And now it's for anyone. So it could be romantic or non-romantic interest. It could be someone you've met or it could be someone you've not met. The questions change the way they're worded based upon each of those scenarios so that people can use it for if they're trying to evaluate a roommate that they might have in college and

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm.

Justin Smith: see if that's someone they want to live with, or if they're having issues. With their boss at work, and they're wondering why that relationship with that person is weird or there's some dynamic issues going on. So it yeah,

Reza Ghaemi: Love this. Yeah.

Justin Smith: it can really be useful for a lot of people. that's one of the reasons we're baking it into colleges. we're partnering with universities. We have about 25 campuses right now, in between the brand ambassadors and the schools that we've signed up partnerships with. So the goal is to promote

Reza Ghaemi: That's amazing.

Justin Smith: it on those campuses and get people. People educated on how to evaluate social relationships literally as soon as they leave their parents' house.

Reza Ghaemi: Nice. I wanna see this on the billboard, Justin, because so many people need to know about this app. it's exciting. Now you mentioned the the the check, the criminality what is it, the sex offender check. Is that a feature available in Canada? Because I know I'm in Canada and in Canada we have all these different regulations. So is it a Canadian feature as well?

Justin Smith: it's US registries right now. that's who we are getting the data through. one of the goals to to give you insight is to actually create a background check that you can do on yourself and then you can share it with your date so that you can both show each other that you have a clean record. And so that is one of the goals of the the app down the road. There's just some regulatory stuff around it.

Reza Ghaemi: what I thought.

Justin Smith: yeah, because you know you have to get permission, at least in In the US, this is how it operates with the FCRA laws. you have to get permission from the person you're doing the background check on. But what you can do is you can do a background check on yourself with no regulations and you can share that with whoever you want. So that's one of the goals is to kind of build that into the app later on so that people can have a a really, really honest conversation about who they are, who's showing up, what kind of you know deficiencies they have. That's why I have the self-assessment piece built into the app too, so that people can run the cray score on themselves and you know, see how they're showing up in their relationship.

Reza Ghaemi: Imagine you went on hinge or or field or tinder and then it would give you your craze score on your profile. That's what I'm excited to see one day, right? Just because of the just the bullshit that exists today. And I I I I resonate with your mission, man. so mad props. I I know do you come from an engineering background or business background or both?

Justin Smith: I actually come from a design background. my yeah,

Reza Ghaemi: Design, okay.

Justin Smith: my undergraduate degree was multimedia design and development, which is print design, video design, you know, graphic design, all that. And I made the logo myself. It was like, you know, fifty different versions. And

Reza Ghaemi: Mm. I love it.

Justin Smith: thank you. I I you know, so I've really spent a lot of time with the interface and the look and the branding of the product. But I did get a a graduate degree in business with a focus on entrepreneurship and that's what kind of

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Justin Smith: Help me think through all the the pieces of the business.

Reza Ghaemi: Reason I asked that is I wish that I know there's a way for me to do like a screen share, but I wish we had planned this before the the show for you to kind of walk us through how the app works. I don't know if is that possible on Riverside.

Justin Smith: Yeah. Well I c I can do it. Well, you know, I could show you the new version that's coming out that isn't even released yet. So it's gonna have

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. Mm-hmm.

Justin Smith: a very different look. with, you know, different interface. So what you do is you hit for a new check, and then there's a bunch of different options you have. Cray score, schemer score, base score, offender check, catfish check, and then the last one is photo scan. And that's the one I think will be the most helpful because for people that

Reza Ghaemi: Photoscan.

Justin Smith: Yeah, because you could then upload profiles, you can upload conversations, and you can get like a whole bunch of different criteria that it evaluates it on. So it's very helpful. but to show people how you go through let me just pull the the craze score

Reza Ghaemi: See if I can

Justin Smith: up.

Reza Ghaemi: find it on my

Justin Smith: Do a quick check. So you would get to choose do you want to do quick or not? I'm gonna do a quick check. It asks you how'd you meet the person? You can go through and select it says in-person, not in-person, romantic, not romantic. And then once you do that, it gives you the ability to just respond to really easy, simple questions. Yes, no, not sure. And then people go through it and they answer that and they get a report at the end. and just to show you what the report looks like so you can get an idea. It's super helpful for someone who doesn't date at all or has no experience. dating because what when you're dating someone you don't you don't really have an idea what how they're showing up. So this is what the report looks like. Looks really cool, just you know fun.

Reza Ghaemi: Love it. Love it. Yep.

Justin Smith: And in this new version, I included the ability to block screenshots. So people cannot share these reports on other people and post them online to try

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah.

Justin Smith: and defame or make people look bad. because that's not what

Reza Ghaemi: Perfect.

Justin Smith: this app is about. This app is about self-improvement and and becoming a better

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. Okay.

Justin Smith: dater and and trying to protect the user.

Reza Ghaemi: That's yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out. And I'm I'm actually signing up for the the the thing myself just to kind of play around with it while we're doing this. First name Reza.

Justin Smith: Yeah, I appreciate it.

Reza Ghaemi: and I am so happy it's available in Canada, to be honest with you. Canada is a great country, but we're a little bit behind on some of this stuff. Like, you know, that the first go to the US and then all that stuff. find the craze score. Okay, perfect. So The screenshot that you mentioned is is the app also capable of, let's say, is here's the other challenge in today's online dating world. So a guy could write the best profile using Chat GBT grok or whatever else. And the girl can be like, my God, this guy is perfect for me, right? So how does the app detect this profile was written with AI kind of thing? Is that a feature that you're thinking about? Adding or no?

Justin Smith: In in the pictures, you can tell if it's AI. I'm not sure about the text. I'll have to we I'll have to look at the

Reza Ghaemi: The text, yeah.

Justin Smith: algorithm. Yeah, I I think it get your scenario gets back to the tagline of the product, which is vibes lie, patterns don't. And that is the new tagline that we've been using because it just totally conveys the issue and and why people struggle. Because, you know, everyone feels their gut feeling or a vibe about the person that they're interacting with. with and that lies dude that's that's why people get swindled all the time is because there's just really good people at you know getting past that gut check or that that you know that vibe check

Reza Ghaemi: That's perfect. So Justin, I don't know if you ever sort of heard about the dating or the social skills types of coaching that exists in the world. You know, one of the folks is Michael Sartain that we played the video, the other one is like Mystery Method, the other one is some company called Real Social Dynamics. Although these these people might sometimes get a bad rep in society, they they help me personally a lot. and one of the things that they would always preach is. for a man to be congruent. So his thoughts, words, and action should be aligned. In other words, this app is able to detect incongruency and fakeness. So if a guy is putting on a show and trying to seem like somebody that he's not, how good is the app at detecting that?

Justin Smith: The one caveat I give is that the app is only as good as the user's awareness or the user's ability to perceive reality clearly. Because if you're the type of person that lies to yourself about situations and and you know glosses over the red flags, you're gonna probably do that when you fill out the the you know cray score or whatever else. So I I would just give the caveat that. That people really need to be aware of the situation and be using the app in an effective way for it to catch things 100% of the time. And that is one of the challenges. And that's why I think that it's helpful for people to use the app prior to getting in a relationship. So those filtration metrics kind of enter their head ahead of time before they're interacting with people. So that the flags kind of pop up for them as they're interacting with the person. Versus trying to figure out if the questions are descriptive of the person after the fact once you're already in the distortion field. because that makes it a lot harder because you're now dealing with someone who's pillow talking you or whatever else to, you know, keep you in in their good graces.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. And okay, cool. that makes that makes sense. or for sure. And you know, so let's talk a little bit. I know that you have a a probably a passion about not just the tech part of things, but also this is close to your heart. I know your story, you mentioned something happened with an eight-year relationship that you had, and this is what motivated you to to start this mission and to help other people. so can you tell us a little bit about your story and or is that something that you talk about?

Justin Smith: No, of course. Yeah, yeah. No. I once I released this product, I knew I had to throw myself out there and be the poster child for it, so to speak, considering my experience. And you know, getting booked on the podcast was a way to pr you know, promote awareness about a situation like mine occurring, 'cause I think Us as men, we don't realize the cost that comes with dating some people and you know it can be something that costs you everything. so eight you know, I I was in an eight-year relationship with someone who by all You know, experiences appear to be a nice person. My family really likes her still, even after all this, which is crazy to me. and she one day decided to blow up the marriage in a way that was against the values that she had instilled in the marriage for the entire time a around a topic that she had even been emotionally abusive about. And when she blew up the marriage, I things just felt off. You know what I mean? It felt like the timing of this just seemed really like There was just something in the back of my brain that was telling me that, like, check the facts, you know what mean? So I started like trying to figure out what happened, and I saw she had transferred tens of thousands of dollars in the days and weeks leading up to her blowing up the marriage. And the year before that, she had spent 12 months trying to get me to put her name on the title of the house with me. And so it just started like snowballing, like holy crap. And I by that point I was in treatment, recovering from a surgery. I was on crutches. you know, I was trying to recover from what she did to me, locked away in a treatment center for two months, and realizing I had left her home with my kids, and this was really a a sleeping with the enemy kind of situation, or or you know, a gone girl type situation. But I was living it out in real time. I mean, this was someone who It felt to me like being on a surgical table paralyzed and the surgeon knows that you're awake for the whole surgery and they're enjoying carving you. It was crazy.

Reza Ghaemi: Justin, I'm I'm so sorry I expressed my deepest empathies towards you. n you're telling me that because eight years, that's a long time. And not to sound insensitive or lack of understanding to to be asking my question of you really weren't able to pick up any red flags before the eight years? Or were you?

Justin Smith: It was more so that the red flags that showed up always had a good explanation to explain them away. She was really a master of that. Like the You know, it the example I've used before, and this isn't something she did, but it's an easy analogy. If I was running and my shirt was sweaty and I took it off because it was sweaty and stinky, and then I saw a homeless guy without a shirt and I gave him the shirt to everyone around me that sees me giving the shirt to the homeless guy, I look like I'm a I'm a kind person. But in reality, I'm a crappy person because I'm giving him a stinky shirt and I know that you know it's stinky, but I'm still giving it. So it was kind of stuff like That where it's like from the very limited vantage point that they got, she looked like a nice person. But all you know, there could be these explanations for why she did it other than the thing I thought she was doing it for. It's hard to explain in in after the fact, with you know, not trying to put her on blast too much, but it was just one of those things where at the time the little things I did notice, but there was always like a good virtue signaling type. explanation for why you know that was something that happened. So it just created some challenges in thinking through is this a red flag or is this, you know, the thing she's saying it's for. You know what I mean?

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, it's tricky. it's definitely, and anyways, Justin, I I'm trying to I'm trying to see what else. So it's we got time flies when you're having a good time, I guess. but basically, if you were to go back, right, and let's say eight years ago you had this app, for example. Would that have helped with this scenario, do you think? Or would it or was it too complicated and this app wouldn't be able to really help? Like tell them, tell us that.

Justin Smith: I think it would have given me a sounding board that I would have had to confront. Like, you know, everything right in front of me, like she's doing this, she's doing this, this has this impact. Those kinds of things, like, because when you have a checklist of like their bad qualities in front of you and you really analyze it, you start thinking a lot differently about the relationship. And I you know, some of the things that now I know are, you know, more concerning red flags back I'd probably You know what I mean? So I think it would have helped me for sure. And and that's why I think this app, especially with the new update I showed you, it it's gonna change the world. It's gonna be a a viral product just because it's so needed in this world. There's so many people who get just schemed and conned and and hurt and harmed or through lack of awareness about things being an issue. So that's the cool thing I I think about what I'm doing is that, you know, with a thousand users we have now, it's a thousand. Mm-hmm.

Reza Ghaemi: Congratulations on that number. That's great. I want to see this thing on Shark Tank and I wanna see are you running ads on Instagram? Like I, you know, I hope so.

Justin Smith: A a little bit. So I've I've been Staying under the radar on purpose while I've been refining

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Justin Smith: the product because I've been able to build out now a team of brand ambassadors at about eight or nine different colleges. And I was able to over the summer book about, you know, 15 to 20 other schools as partners for the upcoming fall semester. And now with this update, we're gonna hit the fall semester and it's just gonna be boom. You know, I I have a feeling that it'll just be this viral kind of thing because no one knows about it. it but it's such a needed product and the interface and the features will make it so cool and you know my gosh provide a lot of value that I just can't see it not being a household name within a couple of years

Reza Ghaemi: Well, is it more of a demographic wise Gen Z or what would you say is the main demographic for this app?

Justin Smith: I'm aiming for 18 to 24 year olds only because that's the most vulnerable population and also because I can offload the cost from the people who don't have money onto the college in hopes that I can provide a resource to them without them having to pay for it. And so that is one of the kind of the cool things I also tried to sort through was, you know, who's who are the vulnerable populations right now and and how can I get to help those? And and through the Title IX offices at colleges has been really effective because you know victims advocacy, Title IX, those are sexual assault type issues and sex education and dating education can help nip that in the bud before it even becomes an issue. So you know we're we're really helping those offices specifically hopefully not ever have as many issues as they do now.

Reza Ghaemi: Right. so just one before we wrap up, I just wanted to see find their craze score. So how do I so I'm not seeing a place to subscribe. Settings, accounts, open re

Justin Smith: It's free.

Reza Ghaemi: It's free. Everything is free right now.

Justin Smith: Yeah. Except for the

Reza Ghaemi: Okay, so

Justin Smith: cre except for the catfish check, the offender check, and then the vibe check. Those are

Reza Ghaemi: Wait, where's the catfish check?

Justin Smith: the catfish check you have to pay money for. It it's in so

Reza Ghaemi: But then I don't see it on the on the interface.

Justin Smith: it's on the web version. The version you have right now is getting updated. There were some issues with Apple that we had to sort through, and that's

Reza Ghaemi: Okay, okay.

Justin Smith: that's getting resolved in the update.

Reza Ghaemi: I see, I see, I see. and the catfish

Justin Smith: Yeah, so if you go if you go in the web version, it has all those features.

Reza Ghaemi: Yep. Got it.

Justin Smith: unfortunately, that was one of the reasons we built the web version back in February. There was this huge three months of fighting with Apple over the features and all this other things. Well, because this is the problem with being the first to do something. you have to fight a lot of regulations and people who assume you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Justin Smith: And so I've had to build up rapport with Apple to show them like, look, this is a you know a goodwilled product. This isn't, you know, me trying to collect data on people and sell it to third parties and things like that. So

Reza Ghaemi: I see, I see, I see.

Justin Smith: it's been some fun challenges. one thing I wanted

Reza Ghaemi: Sure.

Justin Smith: to mention too, I'm not sure if you saw on the website was the Cray Protected. we're trying to partner with venues, like bars, restaurants, or event venues, clubs to create a safe space inside those places. Through posters, drink covers, coasters with advertising cray, a sign for in front of the restaurant, and a sticker that goes on the window to show they're committed to patron safety and dating safety. so really trying to create as much of a ripple effect in the world around this issue and and create kind of a movement really, because I feel like this is All these adults in this world, like you and I, who care about this issue, now we can do something about it. You know? Like now we can actually show we're committed to these kinds of issues.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah, no hundred percent. Justin Smith, is there other apps by the way that are competitors or are you the only app right now for this type of thing?

Justin Smith: I I think I'm the only app I w people used to compare me to T, but I don't think this is like T at all because T was a defamation, public posting,

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Justin Smith: let's put people on blast and have a public review system. This is more about,

Reza Ghaemi: Mm. Ay, sí.

Justin Smith: you know, self-improvement and becoming a better dater and and helping yourself filter through the things you're, you know, seeing in the dating world or relationship world.

Reza Ghaemi: I love that. I love that. Justin Smith, so in terms of the the app and the app store, it's just search for C R A Y Cray app and then the website for the web version for the this is Cray, what is it again? Cray dot com.

Justin Smith: Cray.app. Yeah, Cray.app is the website. And it has links to the web version in both app stores if they would like to check those out. We're going to be updating the website probably in the next couple of days. So

Reza Ghaemi: Okay.

Justin Smith: trying trying to get it the design language consistent between the app I just showed you on my phone and the website. So it's just one whole cohesive experience.

Reza Ghaemi: Amazing. And I know I I think I followed you on Instagram. what is if you want to share where if people can do you really want to care about do you want people to find you on Instagram? If happy to what's your inscription?

Justin Smith: Yeah, for sure. our Instagram is at Cray dot app, I believe. I tried to make it consistent on every social media. If we're not at Cray dot app, then it's at Crayapp. One word. So

Reza Ghaemi: Perfect.

Justin Smith: either one.

Reza Ghaemi: Justin, thanks for thanks for the for what you do. And it's a very powerful mission and it was great to have you on here. and I'm gonna hit stop on the recording.

Justin Smith: All right.