Stop Chasing Validation: Confidence, Women & Social Media with Bentzy Goldman

Reza Ghaemi: Hello, hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Rez Podcast, the show where we explore ideas, habits, and conversations that help us grow, think differently, and live more intentionally. I'm your host, Reza Gayemi. Today we're exploring men's relationship with attraction, attention, and validation from women. I'm currently in a relationship and I still take care of myself, value my appearance, and work on my confidence. But when I was single, the possibility of meeting women and feeling desired gave me an additional source of excitement and motivation. It encouraged me to dress well, be social, take care of myself, and present the best version of who I was. So when someone says that men shouldn't look to women for validation, I understand the importance of not allowing another person to determine your self-worth. At the same time, I wonder whether validation is always unhealthy. Can attention from women motivate a man in positive ways? Is the goal to stop enjoying it or enjoying it without becoming dependent on it? That's the tension we're exploring today. My guest today is Bence Goldman, an ICF, an AIP accredited men's coach who helps ambitious men reclaim their attention, strengthen their relationships, and lead their great and lead with greater integrity. Although Ben C built a successful career in business, his greatest transformation came from confronting his own compulsive patterns. He discovered that the deeper struggle wasn't simply about attraction. It involved validation, identity, emotional avoidance. And learning to become a man guided by integrity rather than impulse. After studying psychology, neuroscience, spirituality, and men's work, Ben C developed a coaching approach centered around what he calls desexualizing the brain. Today he helps men develop greater self-mastery, build healthier relationships, and create lives driven by purpose rather than constant pursuit of attention and validation. Bency, welcome to the Res Podcast.

Bentzy: Hey Rizzo, thanks so much for having me.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah, my pleasure. and thanks for being here. so by the way, you go by Bensy or am I saying yeah, you go by Bensy, right? Okay. Sorry.

Bentzy: Yeah. Yeah, perfect.

Reza Ghaemi: It's Sunday morning here. okay, so b before we get into things, I wanted to to play a clip because it kind of speaks around this topic of validation, but on the other end, towards you know, how women sort of seek the validation. So let's play the clip by Michael Sartain and I want to see what your thoughts are. Yeah. At that time only you haven't followed them. It's just the message. Yeah. Never like girls' photos. Ever. Never. Never like girls' photos. We never leave comments. We never even follow them if you don't know that. No, you can follow them if you know them, correct. But if you don't know, if you don't know them, we don't follow them. Exactly. We don't follow that anybody. We know you can like a girl's photo if she graduates from college, has a baby, pays off a house, gets married. Something like that, it's fine. But we never, any photo of a girl in a bikini or trying to look pretty, we never like those photos. 100%. Ever. Yeah. Okay? We Simps. Yes. We never compliment to open. We can tell her she's interesting. Yeah. We never tell her that she's physically attractive. She never goes today. Ever. When you send them a message, it goes in the request folder. Yeah. At that time also you haven't followed them. It's just the message. Yes. Only when she follows you or only when she replies, do you follow her? I'm actually probably gonna go through and unfollow every girl on my list. As long as I have open threads, it doesn't make any difference if I follow yeah. And most of them end up following me anyway, so it's not that big of a deal. All right, so that was I don't know, could you hear that clearly?

Bentzy: I had most of it, yeah. I had enough.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah. Okay. Cause I could only hear it from one ear, headphone. It might have must have been an audio glitch. But what he's trying to say there, what I got from it is, don't give a woman validation based upon something he she hasn't earned, which is her physical appearance. Is that kind of the gist of it? Is that is that related to what you do or or is that like completely off off topic?

Bentzy: No, it's not completely off topic. as part of the process that my clients go through, there would be unfollowing of accounts, there would be cleaning up your your social media, your digital inputs, etcetera. But my focus isn't on this type of I don't know who that was, but kind of manosphere influencers who are trying to You know, in influence men to be I don't know, you know, superior to woman or or, you know, I I understand, you know, d don't be a simp, don't don't don't just like every girl's photo that is you know, sexually appealing, etcetera. I understand what they're saying. It's a matter of intention for me. it's a matter of I mean when I hear things like never do this, never do this, always do this, anything that is too you

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm.

Bentzy: know it it sounds You know, I could just hear from the tone of where it's coming from. So f that that's not me. That's not my, you know, brand and style of of coaching. But there is elements of of, you know, what does it mean to be consuming women online or in person? What does it mean to have your attention taken away by woman? And what does it mean to reclaim your attention and to treat women with respect and dignity and not objectifying them? So there may be overlaps in terms of what that clip is is suggesting. Our the intention of the work that I do is very different. The the the goal is for men to become the man that they respect deeply and to have actions and behaviors that result from the work that they do, not to start with just the behaviors and actions, right? So we work on becoming a man of integrity, becoming a man you respect, and the rest will follow as a byproduct.

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. And yeah, I appreciate your your take on that. I think a little bit different the way he is conducting what he's trying to do and the way you do things. Now when you I wanna kinda double click on what you said. So give me some practical steps and how you do that. Is it just internal work or do you do any external work or how does that work? When you say you know, you're trying to build build a man. Yeah, talk talking about

Bentzy: Right. So

Reza Ghaemi: that.

Bentzy: The the the flagship program that I run is a is a twelve week immersion which covers a lot and twelve weeks is the the the amount of time that can create more sustainable and impactful change in someone's life when it comes to transformation. But it doesn't just all happen within 12 weeks and then it's you know done and dusted. It's it's kind of you know a an ongoing work that requires both inner work, it requires training your attention muscles and training your response to triggers stimuli stimuli and And circumstance. So, what we do in that 12 weeks, besides just the practical, you know, cleaning up your life and digital life, is work on a couple things, but on this theme, we work on developing an identity. And the first step to clear away all this conditioning, all this all these ideas of what it means to be a man from society, from our peers from you know culture, from media. And so the first thing is to kind of, you know, clean the slate and start with a blank canvas. Because many men, well all men are have some version of of what it means to be a man that th they could all be very different and today it's very polarized. But most people don't choose Consciously, what that means. What does it mean to be a man of integrity? What does it mean? You can ask a hundred men and you'll get a hundred different answers. So the first thing that we do after the desixualization practical actions is to develop that that meaning, that definition. That each man will have his own definition, but we will agree on on values that that are meaningful and create and start working on an identity that helps that man to want to take certain actions in the future that will align with those values and with that type of man. So a lot of it is on identity work, reprogramming in terms of what culture, society, the media has influenced us to believe. and a lot more. a lot more other a lot more other type of coaching work that is both one-on-one and group coaching and accountability, brotherhood, a lot of a lot of different methods that that create that transformation.

Reza Ghaemi: Would you say the men in your program typically come from a place where they lack confidence? Because to me, it's not it's not really the case, right?

Bentzy: Not at all. I mean e every everyone is different, but a lot of them are successful in in many areas

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Bentzy: of their life and they have confidence in those areas. But this is not reflected in their external confidence because nobody sees what they're doing behind closed doors or their, you know, their intimate relationships. yes, some men will have confidence issues when it comes to women and dating and I'm not I don't advertise myself as a dating coach. But if you do want to date seriously and consciously, I'm I'm not I'm not here to help guys pick up women. That's not my my thing. I'm more of a traditional guy where I'll help you get into a long term relationship I'll help you find your life partner through the work. But that's not what I advertise as my services, you know what I mean?

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah, totally. let's let's talk about a little bit because this show is a little bit about dating is is sort of the focus of it. And I know like we can I'm sure you have some answers for my question, which is for me, I'm in a relationship right now and I still obviously take care of myself. You know, some men when they're in a relationship, they kind of they get the beer belly, the dad bot, that stuff happens. I mean, I'm still I still wear cologne. When I'm with my girlfriend, like I try to look good. I'm constantly taking

Bentzy: Mm.

Reza Ghaemi: a shower. So what I'm what I'm saying is like when I was single though, when I the possibility of of women meeting women feeling desired, it kind of motivated me a little bit. Like like if if you know what I mean, like is it is it was that unhealthy to to seek that type of validation? Like like you know what I'm saying? Like, so let's talk about that. Yeah, it's unhealthy, right? Yeah.

Bentzy: Yeah, totally. Totally. It's it's a great question. No no no, I I wouldn't say categorically it's unhealthy, no, because I think it's biological programming within us as male mammals. it's not that we are, you know perverted, lustful, you know, bad. A lot of this is our programming as males, as mammals, as you know, as animals. obviously I believe we have a soul as well and we're you're not just, you know, animals, but you know, our our biology is is programmed in a way for us to to reproduce. and if you're heterosexual you're gonna have that proclivity to impress a female, to attract a female. So a lot of these things are are natural. the question is the extent of which it controls your life, of which it influences your life, and how much attention and energy you put into it. So, you know, if you're putting ten percent of your energy into or or or let me put it like this, i if the hundred percent is you taking care of yourself and eighty five percent of that is because you want to just attract women, right? Or for Woman, that's a high percentage of your responsibility as a as a man to take care of yourself going to just attracting women, right? Whereas if it's 10 or 20 percent, and contextually, you know what I mean? Is it when you go to work? Are you are you are you focused on that when you go to work, or like you know, when you go to a dinner party or a singles event where you you probably should put more emphasis on it? So I'd say it's a mixture of the context, it's a mixture of you know how much of your life. and energy is going towards it. I don't think it's, you know, black or white.

Reza Ghaemi: And and I think actually what you pointed out, if if a man is eighty-five percent doing the self care just to impress women or a girl, it's actually gonna have backfire. Because I don't know if you got Seinfeld is always a show that I've really embraced in life, learned a lot from. Yeah, same.

Bentzy: Mm. I love South Phil. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: and we've had other guests where we talk about Seinfeld, but George, if you if you remember if you so if you love Seinfeld, you've seen the the episode where George he essentially does the opposite of of what he always does. And I think

Bentzy: Opposite, yeah. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: the lesson there is like he doesn't care and that not caring so much, right, is what gets the woman to be attracted to him in that one episode. if

Bentzy: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: if you remember that episode and It's called the opposite, right? Like he he goes up and

Bentzy: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: says, I I'm George. I live with my parents. I have no job. I live, you know, and then the girl is like super into him. So it's it's it's a it's a weird phenomenon how that works. I think as you pointed out, when you're working on yourself, maybe the byproduct of that could be a woman liking you or whatever, but it shouldn't be like the reason. behind it, huh? It's it's more you're working on yourself for your purpose in life, which is should not be the woman, I guess. Is is that is that right?

Bentzy: Mm, mm. Right, a hundred percent. Like if you focus on on on taking care of yourself physically, you know, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. If you if you focus on I mean, let's just talk about the physical for now, you know, in this example 'cause it probably is, you know, relevant to a lot of men where you know, you were saying cologne, dressing nice, etcetera. If you do those things for yourself, you will firstly you'll carry yourself with greater confidence and the by product of that is is you will attract more or higher quality females in your life. So it's kind of like it's not like if you don't, you know, put the energy into self-care and and and you know presenting yourself well, you know, you won't be able to attract a woman. It's more that if you if you do focus on it but for the right reasons, naturally you will attract women.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bentzy: Your your video is frozen. I I just wanted to make sure you can see me.

Reza Ghaemi: I can see you. Yeah, it's just it's normal. It happens on Riverside. it's uploading fine. It should be fine. Am I back though on your end?

Bentzy: Okay. no, your your your eyes are closed, but I'm assuming they're open.

Reza Ghaemi: They're open. Don't worry, I'm not falling asleep.

Bentzy: No worries.

Reza Ghaemi: let's talk about confidence. To me, confidence is something that is lacking in a lot of men. I mean, look, none of us are truly, I don't know. I what am I trying to say here? It's like, so people often say that confidence must come from within, right? It we always hear that as a sort of a buzzword. but but our confidence is also influenced by how other people respond to us. Let's not Deny the fact that if I if I go on Instagram and if I get a thousand likes on my photo, that's gonna give me a hit. Don't like it, isn't my confidence gonna kind of increase? So how do we just s draw the confidence from within ourselves? And I'm asking this question for you because maybe other people might be a little confused by that whole notion of drawing your confidence from within. And they're constantly

Bentzy: Mm.

Reza Ghaemi: trying to get validation from others. What's your take? And and by the way, I have a great analogy recently that I that I've learned from Julian Blanc's name, is he he compares life to a video game. And he says that in the video game of life, if you zoom out, you are the pl as the player, self-worth in the player, experience in the character. So every level of the video game is should be fun, right? And if you're playing the video game of life. You shouldn't draw your confidence from what happens in the character's experience. And you should draw your confidence from you as a player because it's constant. Good or bad, the more success, the more money you make in the video game, does it affect you as the player playing the video game? No, it doesn't. Right? So, so your self worth is in the player and the the If that if that analogy that that analogy really changed my life, but you know, not to go off topic on you, but

Bentzy: Yeah yeah. I I think that again, you know, it is a natural human tendency to want validation from others to enjoy it. it's well known how fleeting it is to seek that constantly. and, you know, for example contextually, is it for, you know, an Instagram post of something or is it for, you know, genuine something that you've genuinely achieved over you know a long period of time. Is it is it is it validation of your character, something that you've developed, or is it just a validation of a nice picture you took, you know? So there's different

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Bentzy: levels and depth of validation. It depends who it comes from.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Bentzy: and so, yes, on on the one hand like it's nice, you know, it it feels good I'm not sure for how long it is, but it's certainly not sustainable to to chase that. And I think the more gratifying validation comes both from from within but also from within your more closer relationships and your and your closer knit community where people who really know you, people who really care about you and people who are who you care about. that validation is of a much higher quality than you know, some stranger on on the internet. So it's a matter of you know, from who are you s seeking validation, but also you

Reza Ghaemi: Mm. Okay.

Bentzy: know the the confidence bit I truly have seen this in in in guys and any myself doing doing this work, doing doing different types of men's work where working on oneself can give you an immense amount of confidence that is truly deeply rooted. It's not fleeting. Because you are I mean, you are taking a very complex project on. You know, human beings are seriously Complex and we have a lot of baggage, we have a lot of biases, we have a lot of things to work through. And if you go to go to battle with your mind, with your past, and you work on rectifying it, becoming a a stronger man in the sense that you are able to have self-mastery, your confidence will be booming, absolutely booming. And I've seen this in in so many men and in myself. it's a level of confidence that you cannot, you know, manufacture in a day or a week. It's s it's seriously deeply rooted.

Reza Ghaemi: talk about this faking confidence versus true confidence. What does it mean to fake confidence? Like, because what I understood from what you just said is like it's it's important to who we who we get the validation from. Like if if that makes sense. Is that what you're can you kind of explain that?

Bentzy: Yeah, I mean, in the hierarchy of, you know, personal relationships, you you want validation more from your partner or your close friends than your you know, distant acquaintances simply because there's a higher consequence for your behavior in those relationships, right? and there's a higher risk of losing them. So naturally, just from a human, you know, relating perspective, it's a it's a higher higher It's it's a more important area of your life, more important relationships and so it's not that you want validation because you you know, you desperately want to hold on to the relationships, it's because you care about those people. So the validation comes from your behavior, not because you're seeking the validation necessarily. So for example, if you are, you know If you work on truly responding to your you know your your romantic partner's needs in a way that leaves them deeply satisfied, right? It doesn't matter what these needs are, if you show that intention, presence and level of of effort, you will get validation, right? Whether it be in the form of a a compliment, whether it be a form in r you know returned behavior and actions, w whatever. But the point is that validation is worth a lot more than a validation from, you know, an old party buddy on the internet.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah. So are we talking about healthy validation seeking versus unhealthy validation seeking?

Bentzy: I think so. I I would just again I want to emphasize that there's the intention is are you seeking validation because you need the validation to feel good about yourself, or are you receiving validation because you are behaving in the way that you should behave and naturally the result is you get validation. You know what I mean?

Reza Ghaemi: Can you give me example, maybe using some f somebody that's famous? I don't know. You can pick Donald Trump comes to mind. I mean, whoever you want, really.

Bentzy: In terms of seeking unhealthy validation?

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah.

Bentzy: Yeah, I mean, there's probably I mean probably the you know the the motivation for certain people to become famous is in itself, you know the very fact that they are famous explains everything behind the you know what's important to them. Not necessarily but Lot of celebrities

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Bentzy: perhaps. I would say look okay, look at Conor McGregor, UFC fighter, right? Now There's a difference between, you know, manufacturing attention because it'll you know generate higher profits if you got got more views on your fights and and so there's d obviously that element where where they create you know they they say outrageous things and do outrageous things to get attention, to get more, you know, views and and and and higher you know bounty for their f for their fight. But then what happens when they stop fighting professionally, right? Or they take a a a break. A lot of the times there will be some story in the news where they've gotten a punch up or they're, you know, drink driving or something happened. Right? because what happened is that and I'm not diagnosing Conor McGregor or anything, you know. I certainly don't want to be in his bad books. but

Reza Ghaemi: Neither do I.

Bentzy: but What what is he one of your listeners? just so he Okay.

Reza Ghaemi: I don't think so. Not there yet with podcast. Yeah, don't worry.

Bentzy: Okay. well if you are listening, Connor, I I I don't mean anything hurtful by saying this. I'm giving an example that that In in in somebody who's getting attention constantly, when that attention seeds, right? Ceases to to to be something in your life,

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Yep.

Bentzy: you're gonna feel a void that you then need to fill. And so if you don't have deep if you don't have that validation coming from yourself and people are close to you, you will seek it in in in in the public, you know?

Reza Ghaemi: Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. No, that's an interesting point. Yeah. celebrities, ooh, my goodness. it would it's dangerous. Like if I I couldn't handle being a celebrity, that's for sure. yeah, it's I don't know how they can do it.

Bentzy: Yeah, it's not it's I mean a lot of them have have have said

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah.

Bentzy: forget who but he said I wish that everyone gets to be a celebrity for you know, a week or two or whatever

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm.

Bentzy: and see and and You know, you it really and a lot of obviously have struggled with addiction and things like that because you know, I I

Reza Ghaemi: yeah. Yeah.

Bentzy: I have empathy for for celebrities that that experience

Reza Ghaemi: Yep. For sure, for sure.

Bentzy: this and don't don't don't chase after their dreams to become famous. They just are famous as a by product of chasing their dreams, you know.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Bency, kind of want to keep it at the 30-minute mark. I know you're you got something going on too. but if somebody's listening right now maybe is relying on their confidence from how many views they get on their Instagram posts, how many likes they get from their Instagram posts, and it it can cause a lot of anxiety. I know I've I kind of sometimes quite candidly, you know, deal with that. Like I post something and then if if like it didn't get any views, it it it fucks with me, man. Like it it does. So you know what I mean? I'm not I'm not

Bentzy: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: I'm pretty guilty of that myself. So any tips that you would offer the listeners around again, this idea of Validation, healthy validation versus unhealthy validation and and how do you sort of stay sane in this social media crisis that we're in? Yeah.

Bentzy: I well firstly I would say you know, recognize that you are not insane and you're not sick. It's very, very the the top behavioral scientists in the world work at Meta. And I I had a a a company where I hired behavioral scientists and we we worked on you know designing software that was for lack of a better word addictive you know to keep users on there. So I mean they have the top behavioral scientists and their job job is to keep you on there and to keep you engaged and the way that they manipulate your attention and your time and your investment is through the most primal biological need to feel a sense of belonging and to feel love. And that's why the Instagram like is a heart and it's red and it all of these things are are very, very deep you know, deeply wired to our our biology. And so the first thing I would say is have some self compassion because these are designed to do that and it's your biology that is that is creating that response. and the second thing I would do if you don't need it for business purposes and you can't have someone else manage it, if it is affecting you, then I would create I would firstly do a digital detox and I would create space and over time I've done this in my own life. There are many studies, there are many people who have practiced this type of social media detoxing or even completely, you know, getting off of it or the bad ones that affect them. their happiness levels go up big time. the first week or two are difficult, but it's like anything that gives you a rush. You you know, the withdrawal period is tough and then life gets better and better. So if you don't need it and it's affecting your life negatively, then get the fuck off of it. That's what I would say.

Reza Ghaemi: I I wish I don't know. I for me I I think those two weeks would be so tough that I would just be constantly like okay, so and not to not to go over the time, but like for me social

Bentzy: No, don't worry, we we we've still got s we've got we've we've still got a few minutes, don't worry.

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. So for me, social media and Instagram, so you know, I I I put the podcast clips on there. I I'm a DJ, so I do DJ clips, but but when it comes to

Bentzy: Yeah, yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: the sort of the unhealthy use that I have personally is like I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. Like sometimes I put videos out there just for the gratification of For me, it's fun. I don't know. I I don't know if I could live without it. Like I I would just feel so unconnected.

Bentzy: Well.

Reza Ghaemi: Like, look, I do feel yes, there's like for AI, Chat GBT, this stuff, there's harmful ways of using it, but there's healthy ways of using it. And with with Instagram, Mark Zuckerberg, I think again, these folks, their intention was positive, right? But it's what sort of happened a as a side effect that the the these negative

Bentzy: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: things is do you see what I'm trying to say? Like there is a healthy use

Bentzy: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: of Instagram, for example. It's to connect with other people, simply put.

Bentzy: Yeah, yeah. It's difficult if you if you need it for for your work and if it's gonna propel your you know career in a positive way.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah.

Bentzy: There there are there are a lot of hacks, you know, that can help, for example, you know, only using it on your desktop, not having it on your phone and

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Bentzy: removing notifications. And simply what I used to do is I would actually so a lot of these are like just personal, you know, challenges. I would post something and then delete Instagram. And yes, I had a desire to look how many likes I've got or comments or whatever, but I said to

Reza Ghaemi: Exactly.

Bentzy: myself, I'm deleting it for a week.

Reza Ghaemi: You mean deleting the just from your not not not not deleting your profile, just deleting the app from your phone. Okay. That's interesting.

Bentzy: Yeah, just did it in the app. Yeah. And you know, and in a week I'll find out how many people liked or what the comments were, or whatever. You know what I mean? So y

Reza Ghaemi: But that week must have been a roller coaster of like like you can't wait to see.

Bentzy: No, after pff nah, you forget about it after a day. Again, like so so create

Reza Ghaemi: Okay. I'll try that. I'll try that.

Bentzy: creating the the I'll give you another I mean w for example, you th the stuff you're putting out is some of some of it is your art, you know? It's your it's your creative expression. And

Reza Ghaemi: Mm-hmm. Yes.

Bentzy: so It's a it's a it's a trap because you do want the validation for your art and you do want it to be recognized. But on the other hand, I mean I'd suggest a book called the The Creative Way by Rick Rubin. I think it's called The Creative Way. the creative act but the point of it is is to produce things for yourself right it doesn't matter how the audience responds or if they do or don't the point of of of of of satisfaction and the point of the creation of that piece of art whatever it may be you know and and also we're not in control of algorithms and you know how these things work some people on on LinkedIn for example, which I use quite a lot, are LinkedIn influencers and they have said, I got one like on this post. Is it is it normal? Is anyone else seeing this? So like even people that have you know a hundred thousand followers on LinkedIn are ex don't have control over this. So it's very dangerous to put our our you know our our sense of self-worth in the hands of an algorithm that is mysterious.

Reza Ghaemi: That was well very well said. I needed to hear that. great takeaways there. Bency, where it I guess just wanna wrap up with where people can find you, that sort of thing and then and then we'll take it from there.

Bentzy: Yeah, thefreeman dot com, the free dashman dot com. that's my

Reza Ghaemi: Hyphen? Yes, obviously.

Bentzy: yeah, the free hyphenman dot com that's my website. I don't have much social media, you can find me on LinkedIn. Yeah. Yeah. Ben C Ben C Goldman

Reza Ghaemi: For obvious reasons that we discussed 'cause Okay. So I guess I'm not tagging you a in in the collab on Instagram then. No Instagram.

Bentzy: Do you have LinkedIn?

Reza Ghaemi: I do have LinkedIn, but this podcast is not very LinkedIn from you know, LinkedIn friendly for me, you know what I mean? So but I do have LinkedIn for my daytime.

Bentzy: Right, right. Right. No, I can I can r I can rev up my old my old Instagram but it's more of a it's

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah, if you'd like to, yeah.

Bentzy: it's more of a pr you know private account f you know with

Reza Ghaemi: Okay.

Bentzy: with friends but but but I can I'm I'm happy to post

Reza Ghaemi: It's completely up to you. Completely up to you. Well, we can talk offline about that. well,

Bentzy: Sure.

Reza Ghaemi: Ben C I'm gonna hit stop on the recording. thanks again for being here, my man. You taught me a lot of ways to kind of

Bentzy: My pleasure.

Reza Ghaemi: appreciate healthy validation and how to draw myself from within and all the put away all the noise. So I hope the guest can take away some some things from that. And don't close your tab yet.

Bentzy: Like us.

Reza Ghaemi: Thank you, Bency. And stop.

Bentzy: Thanks, Res.