Protecting Your Peace: Energy, Boundaries and Emotional Healing with Jessica Schiller

Reza Ghaemi: Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to the Res Podcast, where we explore ideas, habits, and conversations that help us grow, think differently, and live more intentionally. I'm your host, Reza Gayemi. Today I'm joined by Jessica Schiller. Am I saying your name right, Jessica? Okay, great. Jessica Schiller,

Jessica Schiller: Shiller, yes. Just Shiller, Jessica Schiller.

Reza Ghaemi: from Mosin Wellness. Jessica's work focuses on helping people become more aware of their emotional, physical, and spiritual energy they carry so they can create greater balance. Freedom and purpose in their lives. Jessica, welcome to the Res Podcast.

Jessica Schiller: Thank you, it's an honor to be here.

Reza Ghaemi: My pleasure. It's an honor for me to have you on. And thanks for accepting to be on. So, I want to begin with a personal story, Jessica. More than a decade ago, when I was in my 20s, when I was living in San Francisco, I think the hub of the startup and the most, in my opinion, one of the most drug-centric places in the world. I forget Amsterdam. And I experienced MDMA for the first time, commonly known as Molly, with someone I was dating at the time. I'm not bringing this up to promote drug use, of course. but what stayed with me was how intensely aware I became of the atmosphere around me. So tension and negative negativity felt almost unbearable, while warmth, safety, and positive connection felt magnetic. I found myself wanting to move away from anything that felt heavy and surround myself with what felt peaceful and uplifting. And years later, that experience still makes me wonder how much our lives are shaped by the energy we absorb, create, and carry. I personally think of God as the ultimate source of energy. And I believe energy affects nearly everything: our relationships, our confidence, our health, and the way we experience the world. But what we can't always run away from difficult people, uncomfortable environments, or our own negative emotions. So today I want to understand how we can protect. Our energy, shift our inner internal state, and create more positive energy without denying the difficult parts of life and whether or not it's okay to embrace negative energy. I don't know if that's a thing or not. But yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jessica Schiller: It it actually is a thing. Yes. Yeah. I mean, this is like one of the most powerful questions I think anyone can ever ask in this life. So when I connected with you last week through Empowered Podcasting Conference Live, which I'll be speaking at in month, I was super excited for this conversation because it literally speaks the story of my life, which by the way, I also Found myself or began a big part of my spiritual path in San Francisco as well. never delved into drugs per se, although I've been told, you know, microdosing mushrooms and all that would be great for for emotional trauma and healing. I've been asked many questions when I'm at talks about different modalities in that sense. And again, I'm not anti or promoting or any of that. I just all that to share that these are all beautiful things. And whatever it is. That guides you to that inner peace, I'm an advocate of because I forget who said this quote, but I recently saw it on somebody's page the other day, and I really think it speaks the spirit to all of this. To be sane in an insane world is actually insane. Right? So, and I don't know if this makes sense, but I'm trying to use that as color to explain why the darkness, the negativity, the insanity actually is the path. Because if you think about, I'm just gonna speak about this broad and then I'm gonna zoom in and give you guys right day to day and tangible tips and right how to protect your energy and your peace. I have a meditation for that as well on the Insight Timer app that I'm happy to share with you and your audience as well that you can listen to for just 10 minutes a day to tap into the energy. But I'm gonna go kind of big picture now in saying that if you think about all of the most successful. Innovators, entrepreneurs, inventors of our entire existence, right? Like from the Einsteins to the Edison's to the Teslas to the Ernest Hemingway's to the writers, they all went through what they call in spirituality, they'll call it the shaman's path, the the wounded warrior. I mean, there's so many, right? The alchemizer, the shadow, shadow work, right? That truly, as painful as it is. Is the way to alchemize that energy into positive, right? So really, if we study energy, and Einstein is my greatest teacher, he says, right, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed. That being that we don't create positive or negative energy, they're just charges, right? It it all is connected to the same frequency and vibration. And if I'm getting too out there, just let me know. And I I can bring it back to to Earth. Sometimes I live in the clouds, but this is really, really powerful stuff. And I'll explain it in a tangible way that anyone who's never heard of this can connect to it. But all things, and this is you mentioned God, which I close my eyes because that's how I connect to God to spirit. I'm more spiritual, but I also believe in God and I read scripture. I'm Jewish as I told you, but I believe in Jesus and I read scripture as well. So I I read everything because again, it is all connected and I truly do believe that. but it reminds me of the the scripture, it's one of my favorites, and I actually see this as a sign almost daily, these three numbers, eight to eight. So Romans eight to eight means all things happen for good for those who love God. Meaning all things, meaning the negative people, meaning the dark influences, meaning all the chaos we see collectively in the world right now. And there are a lot of reasons why me and my lineage and my life story, like I shouldn't be saying this, right? Like, how can you say this death happened for good? How can you say this tragedy happened for good? How can you, right? How can we say that? How can whatever situation that we're in, this trauma, how can we say all things happen for good? Is because that is the way to alchemize it back to good, right? If we see everything, my client always says this, and I think this is really beautiful. She said she learned as a child everything in life is either a blessing or a lesson. Right? The blessing is the things that are easy to receive, right? The lessons, not so much. But I actually believe the lessons, and again, look at all the great people who've accomplished massive success in this life. I'm a huge golfer. I actually heard Gary Player on a show on Sunday, I believe. He went through hell as a child. He actually grew up very poor, very destitute, South Africa. You can imagine, you know, that kind of an upbringing. And he said the only reason why he never had stress as a golfer, and he's one of the greatest of all times, is because he went through hell as a child to where if he didn't win a golf tournament, that was nothing compared to what he had already been through. Right? And I have chills even as I'm saying that, because so much of my path, especially the last five, six years of my life, when I've really started to dive into the deep shadow work, the deep trauma work, to understand my patterns of childhood trauma. To understand collective trauma, ancestral, right? It even lives in my DNA. Do I now understand how all of those things happen for good? Right. And that's just kind of a higher sense, but I'll take a pause. I don't wanna continue to to speak on my platform. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: No, I I I I'm just listening, Jessica. Yeah, this is great stuff. Yeah. no, beautiful, beautiful. boy. Can I have a drink?

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, I was like I'm gonna take a pause 'cause I've learned I can

Reza Ghaemi: Cool. okay, let's go a little bit micro if that's okay. like in the sense that Yeah. So

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, of course, course. I start with the macro and then we'll go micro. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: when you talk about someone's someone's energy, are you

Jessica Schiller: Mm-hmm.

Reza Ghaemi: describing something spiritual, emotional, physical, or a combination of the three?

Jessica Schiller: Combination, combination, right? So I was actually thinking about EPC in the talk that I'm preparing for next month as I'm working on it now, and I'm thinking of a really simple example. And I'm an empath and a highly sensitive, so maybe this is more attuned to me, but I think everyone can relate to this. Have you, Reza, been in a room, let's say at the conference, we're gonna be at EPC together, and you converse with one particular person, you feel a certain way, and then you converse with another person and you feel that way. Right? Like, what is the difference? Is it spiritual? Is it physical? Is it emotional? Right? It's there are ways to explain it tangibly, but really at its core, you know and you feel when you feel connected to someone and when something kind of feels off. You may not be able to put your finger on right away what it is, but something I found so beautiful on my path is every time I feel so drawn to someone, I continue to get to know them, and then I'm like, that's why. Right? Like then there's some physical emotional connection. I think initially it's it's spiritual and energetic. And then we as humans we want the tangible, right? We want the logic. We want to know why did this feel so good? And then it becomes that. So it's it's a combination of all all of the above. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: Beautiful. so Jessica, I was wondering, if what your take is on negative so you did talk about this in a macro sense, but is negative energy something if you can describe why we should try to escape it, or can anger, sadness, anxiety, and discomfort sometimes be important signals, if that makes sense.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah. I I think again, I spoke to it at a macro level, like shadow work, for instance, right? And the alchemizer and the shaman's path. But then we think about, let's say negative people, right? So I'm not saying if somebody is truly toxic for you, if something, energy, right, whether that's a habit, a person, an environment is is not for you, and you know in your heart and soul that that's toxic, I'm not saying to go through that as part of the shaman's path, right? So I just I just want to distinguish those two things. But I do think there's a level and a lesson to where everything in life, and I did a talk last year, I'm actually looking at the poster behind me on my wall in my office. I spoke at a childhood trauma conference on relationships, right? How to navigate difficult relationships through shadow work. And what I spoke to is that everything is a mirror, right? So what you perceive as negative energy. And first time I heard this, I was like, not me, right? Like I heard it in a Kabbalah class actually, when I studied probably 15 years ago. I did Kabbalah when I lived in Chicago. And they said, what you see as the ugliest, nastiest trait in somebody else is within you. That's why you see it. That's why it triggers you. It's a part of you that either triggers you from childhood. in the trauma and form what we call it parts work, it's maybe a part of ourselves that we don't necessarily want to see or look at because we're a shame we have shame around it, right? But it is all a part of like we all have negative energy, right? So to completely get rid of that, right, is is impossible. So I say there is

Reza Ghaemi: It's inauthentic. Yep.

Jessica Schiller: yeah, yeah, it's not like we all have negative, we all get angry, right? We all have rage, we all have shame, we all have right, guilt, we all have. Right? A disgusting side of ourselves, right? That the world may see as right that. Or we might even see that as ourselves. And so typically when we see that in someone else, it is a beautiful practice for us to ask, why does that trigger me so much? Like what part of me connects to that? Because if you didn't have a charge around it and it wasn't within you somewhere, you wouldn't connect to it. It would just shh, it would just neutralize. Right? Again, there's no such thing as good or bad. Positive or negative energy. It's how you connect to that energy, right? That's why, like you and I, we connected, right? Like you heard my talk, you wanted to have me on the show. That's a positive connection. Right? Conversely, you may watch someone else and you'll be, oof, right? Their voice or something they said triggered you. But I always say that's an opportunity for us to look within. But then of course there's degrees, right? Like for instance, I've recently in the last five, six years, literally unearthed my entire life. So like rebranding my business, separating and getting divorced from my husband, like destroying a life that I lived for the last 13 years. destroying like literally Phoenix rising, literally going through a death and rebirth, personally, spiritually, physically, changed my environment numerous times. Like I am not averse if something is truly toxic for you, right? And only you know through kind of going through a lot of the the disconnection and the shadow work what feels aligned and what's not aligned, then obviously, yeah, set boundary, you know, and I'll give you tangible practices on how to protect your energy because that's to me a daily practice. Like I practice protecting my peace daily. Meaning, are negative people and things gonna trigger me on a daily basis? Yeah. I wear this aura ring for a reason, for stress. Because I have a I have

Reza Ghaemi: Aura or a ring, right?

Jessica Schiller: yeah, yeah. I have a an autoimmune and a chronic illness. I am hypersensitive to everything. It's called hypervigilance and trauma. So things that feel good feel really good. And then conversely, right? So how do I protect my peace? It is a daily practice for me. Because that is how you protect yourself when those situations come up, because they will, to not, as I said before, not to be attached to it, not to be charged by it, not to let it influence you. It still will, but maybe not as charged as it was before.

Reza Ghaemi: before I became Christian, I I always told people Seinfeld. The show Seinfeld is my religion. Like that's what I always would tell people because that show,

Jessica Schiller: Yeah. I

Reza Ghaemi: you just, it's like a recipe for for day-to-day life, right? I'm you you're a Seinfeld fan. Have you seen Seinfeld? You've watched it? Okay. So so

Jessica Schiller: I I watched it, yeah, back in the day. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: there's a particular episode, Serenity Now. I don't know if you remember that episode where there's a particular episode where This character George, his parents, put him into this like this thing where he had to sell something and he he sucks at it. And there's this other guy, he's just like digging these sales calls and he fakes it. Anyways, maybe that's a different episode, actually. But Serenity Now was a thing in Seinfeld where this guy that got stressed out, he would just keep saying, Serenity now. Serenity now. And then finally he blew up once. Because he just couldn't take it anymore and he just went crazy. So the

Jessica Schiller: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: reason why I want to bring that up is like, you know, ultimately to protect your inner peace, like, you know, they always say like you should be willing to emote and and have a natural emotional reaction to things. So what's your take on like that type of thing where like if if if I'm at a bar with my girlfriend, which is a true story, I was at karaoke and this guy, even though he saw that she was with me, he's like starts hitting on her.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: And so I you know what what is what do you do? So like how do you protect your energy? I just from a micro, micro level there, if that makes sense.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, yeah. So s situationally, right. So I I see it as a practice and I'll give you guys, you know, a bunch of tips as to what I do on a daily basis. But situationally, for instances like that, I would say the number one thing is boundaries. Discernment and boundaries, right? Discement is does this feel good? Does it not feel good? Do I want this person in my life? Do I not want them in my life? Right? So obviously if a guy's hitting on your girlfriend, that's not somebody you want in your life, right? And you want to stop that interaction from happening. Similar thing happened to me when I met my husband. A woman was hitting on my husband. I'll never forget it. It was like

Reza Ghaemi: boy.

Jessica Schiller: right that should have been a red flag for the meeting, but like right when we met, and I brought it up to him and he was like, What do you want? Like she was hitting on me. I'm like, what what do you mean what I want? Like boundary, right? Like you speak up.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm. Yeah.

Jessica Schiller: And you tell that person, hey, like you that's that's a calling. And again, that's when a negative situation shadow can become an opportunity for growth to A, use your voice, B to set an appropriate boundary, and C to have discernment, right? Because a lot of people don't even have, they'll be blindsided by that situation. I mean, that's an apparent one, but I'm saying people stay in relationships for how long they don't see the red flags. Or opportunities, so many opportunities where they could have set a boundary to create a more sustainable relationship. This could happen in business too. People get screwed over by business negotiations, right? And that's an opportunity right there to say, hey, you know, I'm with her, back off. Like it can be that simple. But if we don't set the boundary right away energetically, we're saying to that person, it's okay, you can come into my territory. Right? And you can do whatever you want and manipulate me. And then at a higher level, take my power away. Right? So by setting a boundary, using your voice, you're taking that power back. And it's beautiful we're having this conversation now because astrologically we're in Leo season, which is all about that. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: Amazing. I'm gonna have you on because yeah, the we're we're gonna do some hopefully more more episodes. It's there's so many things to talk about. But just my ADHD

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, yeah, I I could talk all day about this.

Reza Ghaemi: brain is is making me wanna wanna play a segment just to kind of talk about some something else. this energy where so I'm a Persian and in the Persian culture, they believe in this thing called the evil eye. I don't know if you've like Turkish people also believe. Is that yeah? The the the blue and whatever it is, the the evil eye symbol? Okay. Yeah. okay, okay. okay, okay, perfect. So yeah,

Jessica Schiller: Yes. I I have evil eyes throughout my house, yes. yeah, I have one actually. I think I have one on my microphone. But you can see can you see it? It's I have a charm hanging. It's a version of an evil eye. Yeah, but I have the traditional blue one as well.

Reza Ghaemi: the blue one, yeah. so they believe that For example, you should protect yourself from getting negative energy by not overextending yourself to the world. And I wanna

Jessica Schiller: Yes.

Reza Ghaemi: play a clip from Robert De Niro, if if I can. Let me know if you can hear it. And I want your reaction to towards what he's talking about here. Because is that okay? Okay. Let me know if you can hear it. Be calm when things go going well. Be calm. Don't think you're on top of the world. You always gotta be wary because I've seen it, I've seen people come, I've seen people go, I've seen them come, I've seen go. You gotta be chill. You gotta take what's good in your life and move forward cautiously and carefully. And thank God that you have that. It's very, very important not to overextend yourself when you think you you know you've got it. That's no such thing. Everybody's dispensable. Okay. you heard that, right? So

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah, what is he talking about there?

Jessica Schiller: So I'm actually gonna give you a story that. So I go to a Chinese medicine practitioner for my issues about once a month, and I was there last week, and he told me a story that literally speaks to what De Niro was saying, where he said, You've heard of the expression, I'm sure that this too shall pass, right? When somebody goes through a really traumatic situation, right, and people try to give you hope and they say, Well, this too shall pass. So I don't remember the exact story. But basically, the guy was going through something, right? That was hell, and the shaman or whatever, he said, you know, I'm gonna teach you a lesson, this too shall pass. Then he was in a really good place, right? And he he gives him the same lesson, right? you're everything is going well, right? As he was saying, you're you're indispensable is how he ended that clip, right? Even when everything is going well, and I literally carry this with me now every day, because I think it was such a beautiful lesson. He said that too. Shall pass. Right? Meaning, and that the Buddhists talk about this all the time, as non-attachment, right? When we attach to the good, we are telling ourselves like everything has to always be good. And if it's not good, then it's bad. Again, what I said, there's no such thing as good or bad. It's energy is actually neutral. It's just the charge that we give to it. But if we know that in all good things, right, this too shall pass, and in all bad things, This too shall pass. It's the same lesson runs through both. I think it's such a simple but profound revelation, right? That it's just all energy. It's just

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah.

Jessica Schiller: all energy, right? And so, even the good, that's why a lot of us that have been through trauma, when we're having a good day, I don't know about you, but like, I'm like, I don't want this to ever end. Like, I want to just bottle bottle up all the sunshine, bottle up all the rainbows and sunshine, right? And I'm an internal optimist. But you set yourself up for failure in that sense because this too shall pass. And you're gonna have a dark day or a dark season or something may happen to someone else in your life, right? And you may feel that or need to be right there for that other person, but that too shall pass.

Reza Ghaemi: And that's you you mentioned attachment to outcome, detachment

Jessica Schiller: Uh-huh.

Reza Ghaemi: from outcome. I think I've I heard this from a seminar, I think there they mentioned the three fatigues or a few fatigues, persona fatigue, attachment to outcome fatigue, and there was a couple of other fatigues. If you can eliminate those fatigues, you'll you'll be happier. yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah. Digital fatigue. Even though it creates beautiful content like this, but I

Reza Ghaemi: Ha ha ha.

Jessica Schiller: I get what they call zoom fatigue. I know they actually diagnosed it as a thing in the pandemic. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: For sure. Jesse, do you have a heart's top at six thirty or I mean we can go I wanna keep it thirty minutes just for the for the podcast, but man, time flies. Cause you were gonna give us some tangible

Jessica Schiller: No, no, no. I'm I'm good. Yeah, I didn't even realize.

Reza Ghaemi: change tangible tips and stuff. And you mentioned you're you're on the meditation apps. So

Jessica Schiller: Yes.

Reza Ghaemi: I wanna ask you one question before you if you can share some tips that people can walk away with into daily their daily practice and If you can mention where people can find you and all of that stuff. but I think just to close, I wanna say I wanna ask you, what is one thing someone listening today can do immediately to stop carrying energy that does not belong to them? If that makes any sense.

Jessica Schiller: It makes a lot of sense. And there are so many things you can do. I'm gonna try to keep it simple, but and I'm gonna say this generally, and then I'm gonna give you like two or three things that go with that. You have to, as I said earlier, have a daily practice. That is the best and only way. Think of it as like insurance, right? For the future, like energetic insurance is the best way I can and hate the word insurance, but it's really a good way to explain it, right? Your that's your protection, that's your evil eye. Right? That's your physical evil eye. And of course, I have trinkets all around my home as well. You know, I have crystals, I sage, I've got artwork. I mean, everything is energy, right? Sound, photographs, angels, these are all forms of protection. But if you don't have a practice within internally, right, to create that sense of peace and safety, everything inside. What you see outside is is what's happening within, right? So the more we have a practice to cultivate that, and I'll share some ways that I do that every single day for your audience. It's just things that can start right now, tomorrow, to integrate. It's literally saved my life. All of this. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah. I believe it.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah. Yeah. So I will go into the practices if if you'd like, or if you have anything to add. Yeah, yeah,

Reza Ghaemi: Yes, for sure. Thank you. Absolutely.

Jessica Schiller: for sure. so first things first. Is protecting, as I said before, your environment, right? So really we think about curating our social media feeds, but we don't think about curating our internal feeds, right? So really being discerning, and I mentioned discernment before, not only around the people that are around us, we don't realize programming. So even like television, even when I open my Amazon Prime stick, if you notice what's on the banner. Just notice now you might notice this forever, because once I saw once you see you can't unsee. The main banner is always something violent or negative. So if we are consistently exposed to negativity, even in right, video games or right TV programs or movies, our brains are prime is programming. Right. It's literally training our brain to look for that, to want that, to mirror that back into our lives. I watch zero negative television, zero. And I again this is no shame to people that do, or they like crime drama or anything. I I personally can't handle it. So that's another, right? I used to get nightmares as a kid. Like I'll never forget my brother took me to see all the Terminator movies as a child, and I had nightmares for months, you know, or like Children of the Corn or any of those. I I don't know. But I'm saying that's even

Reza Ghaemi: I don't know how people can watch horror movies. I don't understand it. Yeah.

Jessica Schiller: in the programming of like, right, and you turn on Amazon and it starts to play a preview. I run and I grab the remote. So like

Reza Ghaemi: Yeah. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jessica Schiller: So social media boundaries, boundaries around

Reza Ghaemi: Okay.

Jessica Schiller: your television, conversations. your feed is a really great place like to go into your social media. Like I had to do this, you mentioned you're Iranian, so I am Jewish, and after October seventh, I eliminated a lot of things from my feed. Because if it triggered me, I don't want to see it.

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Jessica Schiller: And that's the toxicity I say is okay to eliminate. I'm not saying go through that. It's part of your shadow work. Like, no, if if you if your nervous system is triggered, especially if you've been through trauma, right, all roads lead back to feeling safe. So if this doesn't make you feel safe, block. We have that ability to do that. So that that's number one is curating everything in your life. Everything is intentional in my life. From the way I decorate my house to the way I spend my morning to the things I say yes to, right? Like I resonated with you. That's why I said yes. I haven't done. I could count on my hand how many interviews I've done this year. Just because I'm being super, super intentional. Yes. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: thank you so much, Jessica. That means a lot.

Jessica Schiller: Well, I I felt like I felt cold, right? So I I do that work. But not to be afraid to say no to things that just right. And you you can tell, right, in your gut. Like if something excites you and it's a little bit scary, it's probably meant for you. And if it feels like a hell no, but you're like, I have to do this thing, like, okay, that's probably not something that you should be doing, right? Curating everything, having intentionality. That's the that's the first thing. The second thing is, this is a big part of my trauma therapy and what I do again daily, is somatic awareness. Right? I'm sure

Reza Ghaemi: Draumatic?

Jessica Schiller: somatic. So soma is a Greek word meaning of the body. Right? So we talk a lot about energy, but what we don't realize, especially trauma triggers negative energy, subconsciously lives in our body. Right. Meaning when we meet someone and they affect us in a negative way, we can carry that forever if we don't have a practice to release that. Right? So that's what somatic awareness means. Once we're aware that we've taken on, right, and everybody feels pain. I'll give you a simple example differently than our body. I hold a lot of tension in my neck and shoulders. So if I'm having a stressful conversation with someone, I said yes to something I didn't want to. Something bad happens in my life, like, and I have an autoimmune, so I feel it at an even amplified level, I will get terrible shooting pains through the crown of my skull, all the way down my neck and shoulders. Right? How do if I don't do anything about it, it's gonna stay there. Right? In Chinese medicine, they call it qi, energy. So to have a practice daily to move the energy. Right, and what is somatics? Again, of the body. It could be something as simple as a one-song dance party. I have a a shaking machine. Literally, it's called a vibration plate. You can get them on Amazon for 50, 60 bucks. You can simply sit on it. It shakes the hell out of your body. But what it does is it helps release any stored energy, stored energy that lives in your lymphatic system, right? Which is where a lot of tension can build up in your muscles.

Reza Ghaemi: I'm ordering this thing right now. Okay.

Jessica Schiller: For you to Yeah, yeah. I I I went to a so TRE is it's called trauma and again I don't wanna go too deep in all this. TRE is called trauma release exercises. There's specific trained practices for people, a lot of veterans do this that have been through PTSD. So the teacher, I went to a private class with my client when I was in Dallas. She told me to buy that when I was in severe pain. Like when I first separated with my husband, and I was going to, I had literally sensations that were pulsating up my skull from my, and I went for like massages every three weeks, like nothing was helping. She's like, get this plate, sit on it, every just sit on it. Like, let it do the work for you. Okay, so that's a really easy way to do that. on Insight Timer app, which I will send you guys a meditation that I have on there. It's a beautiful app. If you literally just type in. Somatic, anything somatic presencing, somatic dancing, somatic yoga, somatic breath work. There's all different types of modalities. You will find recordings from two minutes, three minutes to five minutes, ten minutes, as much as you want to do that you can practice every day. You've got to get the energy moving and out of your body. So that's number two. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: My God. Okay.

Jessica Schiller: number three, this is like probably one of my favorite things because I am big on sound, is sound therapy. So Might have heard of like a sound bath. I listened. Yeah, you already yeah. So

Reza Ghaemi: I'm a DJ for sure. Yes.

Jessica Schiller: so music, yes, right, right. Music is medicine. But

Reza Ghaemi: But this is something different, yeah.

Jessica Schiller: these are specific tracks. And this is I'm gonna speak to this a lot at EPC. Is this frequency therapy? There's specific tracks that are tuned to specific frequencies to transmute negative energy. And to generate positive energy, there's ones that can attract wealth. There's the love frequency, which is 528. There's the Schumann resonance, which is 432. These tracks are attuned to specific frequencies. All you do is put your headphones on, you listen, I do this every single morning, and it attunes your body, your cells, your organs to that frequency. So even if

Reza Ghaemi: Where do we find these sounds?

Jessica Schiller: I use the Insight Timer app, but even I guarantee if you go on YouTube and you just Google.

Reza Ghaemi: Insight timer app. Okay, perfect. I'm gonna get Okay. Okay.

Jessica Schiller: You can find tracks like that. But so there's frequency tracks that are attuned to specific frequencies, but you can Google binaural beats is one of them. Another one I've been using even more recently in loving, they're called isochronic tones. I spoke to this, I believe, at EPC Live, the live I did last week. I love to know the origin of what that word means. It's also Greek, iso meaning equal. Chronic meaning time. So basically, you mentioned ADHD. This would be a perfect practice for you. I have busy brains, this is why I use it, and I've had trouble focusing recently. It equalizes both hemispheres of your brain left and right just by listening to that music. So what what the track does is there's one that's consistent, and then there's a melodic tone in the background. Right, that's left, which is logic, that's the constant tone, and then there's a tone in the background, which is creative, right? And so your brain is listening to both at the same time, it's training it to be back in balance. It's amazing.

Reza Ghaemi: Amazing. Wow.

Jessica Schiller: Like literally, this stuff, and I and I feel the difference, like in my morning routine. I can literally feel in five to ten minutes. And I've been doing it, I've been meditating, I think, 60 days straight to these types of tracks. I also do quantum recoding. That's a whole nother thing. that's more like outcome-based things, right?

Reza Ghaemi: Mm, mm.

Jessica Schiller: Like you're trying to generate specific love or specific money, right? Whatever you want to call in, right, in the quantum field, quantum physics. But in terms of just protecting energy in general, those three things, right? If you practice that. It will change the trajectory of your life.

Reza Ghaemi: believe it and I'm so so excited. Thank you, Jessica. Man,

Jessica Schiller: Yeah. And there's so much more, but I'll just keep it at that. Yeah. Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: this is definitely one of my my favorite episodes so far. So thank you so much Jessica for everything

Jessica Schiller: Thank you.

Reza Ghaemi: and for being here. let's see I do have another one at 7 p.m so Jessica your your your page is on Facebook your Instagram is I'll I'll write that stuff in the episode the show notes. I don't even

Jessica Schiller: Yeah.

Reza Ghaemi: have show notes, but I gotta figure out how to do show notes. But

Jessica Schiller: I can help you with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can help you with that.

Reza Ghaemi: Well yeah, but if you wanna maybe where can people find you in an easy way.

Jessica Schiller: Sure, sure. So yes, I'm on Instagram is probably my most used. I'm also on Facebook, but on Instagram, I'm M-O-Z-E-N underscore wellness. It's my at at Mosan Wellness. On Facebook, it's just Jessica Schiller. It's actually still under Jessica Schiller Silverman, which is my married name, but I'm gonna

Reza Ghaemi: Mm.

Jessica Schiller: cut out the the married name soon, but that's where you can find me now, is Jessica Schiller Silverman. My podcast still has Silverman, so that's why until I rebrand my podcast and the name, I'm leaving that so people can find me. And I also want to share with your listeners a free meditation called Protect Your Peace, which is on the Insight Timer app. But if you go to BIT, and I'll send you the link, BIT.ly slash protect your peace 444, that's the link. It will give you a free meditation and it will also connect you to me and my world so I can keep you guys updated on all the fun things that I'm exploring in the realm of protecting your peace and transmuting negative energy.

Reza Ghaemi: Beautiful. I can't wait. Say again, sorry?

Jessica Schiller: Human evil eye. I said human evil eye, so you can be a human evil eye.

Reza Ghaemi: Jessica, I can't wait to meet you in person at the conference in Charlotte, North Carolina. And

Jessica Schiller: Yes.

Reza Ghaemi: maybe I don't know if you drink, but maybe you'll have a cold one with you or something.

Jessica Schiller: Yeah, I I drink beer every now and again, so

Reza Ghaemi: Awesome. all right. I'm gonna hit stop on this.